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Getting in Touch With my Sexuality

2020.10.29 02:04 DapperDandy22 Getting in Touch With my Sexuality

For much of my life I've repressed feelings of desire for women. Lately I've been reading book of Pook and one of his chapters he mentioned embracing you sexuality ( Which can be found here: https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/embrace-your-sexuality.28956/), and it really stuck with me.
For some reason I've always thought that if I appear cool, stoic, detached and unphased by her beauty she will find me attractive. But I've started to realize that the exact opposite is true. If I allow myself to feel desire and show sexual intent, then due to the principal of emotional mirroring, she will copy my emotional state and will in turn feel turned on, desired, and sexual back at me.
I've been allowing myself to feel that feeling of desire when I see an attractive woman in my day to day life. I may even lock eyes with her, and she will sometimes know what's up, and mirror back a seductive gaze back at me. All in all, its garnered some interesting and positive responses back from women.
I haven't had the courage to make a cold approach yet, but when I do I suspect showing sexual intent could be a force multiplier.
However, I think I've been getting a little overboard with this projecting my sexuality thing. Sometimes it gets a little exhausting constantly trying to project sexuality. I guess I should reserve it for girls that really peak my interest, rather than the frumpy 5 who I would bang if she offered, but I probably wouldn't waste my time pursuing.
In any case, has anyone ever gone through a similar thing and learned how to integrate this into their everyday life? I'd be really curious to hear. Thanks.
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2020.08.18 18:18 Der31 What active seduction or pua forums, except sosuave and skilled seducer are there?

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2020.02.22 05:48 PickleLine FDS advice is morally worse than PUA advice

tldr at the bottom
Note: I mean PUA (/seduction, dating section of forums like sosuave, rooshv) as a separate entity from TRP/MGTOW/etc. The difference is that PUA encompasses all the dating advice (i.e. concerned with what works and what doesn't) and excludes the complaining and politics.
Also note that I'm only considering the practical advice for FDS (e.g. what's in the wiki). The front page of FDS right now is filled with anti-male meme/complaining subreddit and lacks actual dating advice content. It's at /mgtow level right now.
My understanding of FDS advice is everything falls into 2 categories:
  1. Screening and filtering men
  2. Manipulating long term partners
There is little self improvement advice or tips on how to attract men.
PUA concentrates on:
  1. Making a man more attractive (e.g. advice is to lift, increase social value and status, etc.)
  2. Entertaining and making women horny, connecting with them on an emotional level and being a generally social and fun guy to be around (outer, comfort and physical game)
  3. For devils advocate, there are a few manipulation tactics like freeze outs on LMR, make her jealous by talking to her friend and seeding the pull although the manipulation tactics are definitely not core advice. They're very situational. I don't consider things like negs and emotional spikes to be manipulation because they're designed to entertain women (this may be a point of contention).
PUA heavily advocates self improvement and making women actually attracted to men. Mystery Method M3 model has entire stages based on comfort and emotionally connecting with women. Note that I'm not saying that PUAs are morally superior people. Attracting women just necessitates self improvement and entertaining/connecting with women. PUA advice wouldn't be useful if it didn't include the wholesome parts.
When comparing the few PUA manipulation tactics with FDS tactics, FDS tactics are worse. PUA advocates for some manipulation for short term dating (e.g. one night stands) while FDS advocates for manipulation for long term dating. There is little established advice for long term dating/relationships for PUA in general (other than, don't get in a relationship) and almost nothing that advocates for manipulation in a relationship.
Morals are different for short term vs. long term relationships. In long term relationships, partners are actually owed respect whereas anything goes for short term relationships. I'm disturbed that FDS advocates for manipulation in long term relationships. Manipulation violates the core tenets of long term relationships.
It's not a healthy strategy. The man would subconsciously feel/know he's being manipulated. His resentment will come out in different ways. The woman who manipulates her long term partner will have reduced respect for her partner. It would lower his status in her eyes. She will lose attraction for him. Being in a relationship with someone she's not attracted to is bad/suboptimal for her. If she's consciously manipulating her partner, she's also destroying her ability to pair bond. Her subconscious would be telling her that she's not actually in a loving relationship with someone (because what lovers try to manipulate each other like that) unless she's a psychopath.
tldr:
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2019.11.24 00:50 DonDXP All the introverts who wonder how to start getting out there more.

https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/dj-boot-camp-week-1.13538/


I still remember doing the eye contact chellenge at the mall. I built myself up.. I got like 2 and then this girl held the contact..and kept walking and looking, and i couldnt look away by the rules, so we just looked at each other for 5-6 seconds, and I almost shit my pants :) Within 2 months I went from being shy at a party to being in the middle of 5 girls talking to them..that was just surreal transformation and I wish it upon everyone.
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2019.11.15 20:39 xtrusters Has the idea of 'seduction' been relegated to folklore?

Note: I say 'seduction' and not PUA or game. By 'seduction' I mean actually 'seducing' someone. (Not a girl who thinks you're handsome as is the case in every infield or LR i've ever read).
I belong too a few (of the remaining) PUA forums and was reading through some for the first time in a few months earlier and the pattern is rather clear.
Take this post from a user (cheyne) at Sosuave:
I think the issue is that people have realised that it's largely irrelevant what 'model' you use and even what you say. At least in terms of MAKING a girl attracted. It seems to be the case that you are either her physical type, or you aren't. If you aren't, nothing you say will 'convert' her or change her mind. (People aren't whispering 'omelette Du fromage' or poetry in girls ears and 'seducing' girls with language like a 1950's films) If you ARE her tpye, the only 'game' you need is to be brave enough to escalate on her, and not be so weird that you lose that initial attraction through a serious lack of 'game' (imagine awkward eye contact, complete inability to hold a convo etc. There's lots of 'models' out there (you might want to looks at Saul's technical bible, or maybe Gabriel Grey - However, the funny thing is that when you get through all of the fluff, the 'model' they are basically ALL 'teaching' you is what we already all did/knew as children, and thus it doesn't need to be 'learnt'; Approach girl, chat and try to not be too boring, and then make your feelings known/tell her you like her! (or make your feeling known straight away - i.e direct game). That's basically every single PUA 'model' there is! Mystery's 'model' differs slighlty in that the idea is that you only state your intent only AFTER she has first shown her hand and given big IOI's and you have 'qualified' her, but in practice, that's not how it works (unless you are her type. Otherwise she won't show intent or try to qualify herself to you as she isn't SEXUALLY interested, despite yous 'negs', DHV stories, magic tricks etc.)
This is from user 'attackformation'
So all it really did was go back to square 1 of what everyone as a 7 year old on the playground already knew (at least I did) and declare that the earth is round. Way to go for the "game" industry. PUA is really an embarrassment. Seriously, this is the reality and knowledge that 7 year old kids already have. PUA is/was a huge step back from what people already innately know.
That's only 2 posters, but they were the 2 posts that seem to best represent the feelings of vast (almost exclusive) majority of the posters
Even on seddit, if someone asks 'how do I seduce my hot new classmate?!' or something, the advice is 'ask her out'. (Then he asks her out and she said 'sorry. Not interested' and then the advice is 'Good try. Chin up! Move on to the next now'). I'd call that 'hitting on a girl' and not 'seduction'
Or if someone asks for actual advice, the best they can hope for on seddit is to be told 'love yourself. Give yourself a hug each morning' kind of thing
For what it's worth, i'm not even in disagreement with the general consensus (that basically you can't force attraction in someone and it's not really a 'skill' as much as a numbers game to find a girl who thinks you're hot and that seduction in the classical sense of the word doesn't even exist) but I'm still curious as to peoples thoughts about all of this - Is this part of the reason for the apparent death of PUA with channels closing down etc? (I know the BBC/metoo etc played a big role too).
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2019.10.15 01:10 ChadThundagaCock Why should I get the good advice from TRP elsewhere when there is no other free alternative besides SoSuave forums, which women would still probably hate anyway?

I know TRP is harsh, but it's also free. People say you can get all the advice elsewhere, but if you look at this site, most of these products NOT on TRP are on average $47: https://www.datingskillsreview.com/
Oddly enough, one of the cheaper PUA products you USED to be able to buy are the books BANG and DAY BANG by Roosh V. And yet, if you search those books up on Datingskillsreview.com, they are not highly regarded.
It's almost like they're complaining about the harshness of Roosh so I pay MORE money to buy some other product I don't need. I'm not gonna pay 10's of dollars for a product that teaches how to "Say Hello" to women. Sorry, but I'm not.
So that is my argument towards you people who tell me you can get the good advive from TRP from elsewhere. TRP is free. It doesn't cost a penny. Why should I pay more money for information I can get at TRP just because the tone isn't as harsh.
P.S. Have changed my mind about selling "BANG". I now have a book unavailable to the public written by the Jesus of TRP-PUA Hybrid, Roosh.
And you can't put a price on that.
Besides, nobody here is UMC. Therefore cannot afford to cashapp me 10K in exchange for a tracking number of the book being mailed to you.
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2019.08.05 12:50 FereallyRed Holy Grail of Tips

Pook
https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/holy-grail-of-tips.51545/page-2
http://archive.is/tIjL7
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2019.08.05 12:48 FereallyRed One of the most important posts ever! (Forget your ex)

Preachaman
https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/one-of-the-most-important-posts-ever.18317/#post-150203
http://archive.is/hu6H9
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2019.07.22 20:55 _thechinaman_ The Pervert's Guide To The Book of Pook

Summary: Pook addresses SoSuave trying to psycho-analyze the Pook. I elaborate on why SoSuave is stupid and doomed to fail and how this pertains to being a man.
It is important to recognize the reason why I find this analysis useful. I had studied the Book of Pook for a long time. Probably at least a year (when I was 19 years old). I was obsessed to the point that I made my own Audiobook that I could listen to and bought the paperback off of Amazon that I could read and notate. He is an entertaining writer and is totally “based and redpilled”. I, like many of you perverts (lol), had wished to pierce the veil that was keeping me from the secret lying behind/within his forum posts. Unfortunately, due to the perverse nature of this study, I was caught in a Hegelian ‘bad infinity’, tripping endlessly over and over the same damn rock. So, for people who are where I once was, the subjects presumed to enjoy, this analysis is for you. (Of course it’s for me too but you don’t need to know that) I wish to elucidate for you, rather than “what is a Man” or “what is a Woman” or “what Women are really saying”, and so on and so on, the functions of Pook’s concepts and how they pertain to our desire to understand how to Be A Man. So, without getting too B O R I N G, let’s start at the beginning.

Introduction – A Pook is A Pook!

First off, the title is perfect. The self-referential moment of identity is crucial to grasp in order to free ourselves from the endless perverse chain of signification ("what do things mean???"). In language, signifiers are our efficient, but in the end lacking, method of representation of the signified. I could say ‘tree’, but there are just so many kinds and instances of trees that it requires more than the signifier alone to accurately describe the signified. So, when Pook goes on about people psycho-analyzing Pook saying
“Pook is this… Pook is that...”,
we must not ignore the crucial self-referential moment,
“Pook is Pook”.
“Pook” represents this totality of meaning that SoSuave seeks to pin down so as to say “Aha! I’ve got you now you scallywag!”. The issue with this is that “Pook”, as a signifier, like, as we will see in future posts, Man, Woman, whatever, is stuck in the dimension of language and, therefore, is in itself, as the central point of this totality, a Lacanian master-signifer; it is empty. “Pook” is, in itself, empty, so when Pook closes the endless frill of descriptors,
“Pook is Pook. What more needs to be said”,
it is important to realize how Pook enunciates the limit of language to express fully.
That is the lesson to grasp: language is limited. We may effort to fully strip down phenomena to its most pure essence, but, although not fruitless, we are continually doomed to fail. Take The Red Pill’s nomenclature of Alpha. You can go on and on in many different situations as to what an Alpha is and compile it all into one big bullet point list but debate will be endless between what is what is what. The crucial point to reach is that the signifier “Alpha” is terminally limited and so is our ability, as subjects, to ascribe more and more descriptors. “Alpha” does not exist in and of itself. (I guess you could call it a social construct but hold onto that thought)

Why is this limit important to recognize you ask? Well because, as Pook says,
“All these attempts to ‘psycho-analyze’ the Pook are going to be wrong. Stop worrying about the Pook and worry about yourselves.”
Here, Pook hits our central issue of perversion. Perversion is a key trait of being a beta-male. While clearly no one is talking about Pook anymore, beta-males will endlessly obsess over any and all signifiers so as to avoid their real issue: in this case, themselves. Rather than doing what it is that men do (difficult things like being scholars, warriors, builders, etc.), beta males will continue to do what is easy and maintains their self-deception of their beta-male-ness. This process of self-deception is called perversion. This is a very important tool with which to understand ourselves and the world.
Finally, before we proceed, once we can recognize the ontological failure of language, we, of course, can not use that limitation as another perversion, as tempting and sophisticated as it is (nice try buddy). Eventually, Pook is writing a post and trying to convey meaning to us so we must strive to do our best and not be such little perverts. This also goes for being a man. I used to ask the question all the time, “What is a man?” Now that we can recognize that "Man" is, as a signifier, in itself empty, we can not use that limitation to ignore that we must still be ‘men', for that would be perverse and annoying.
I'm sure a lot of loops were left unwound here, but what can I say? That's life!


Lessons Learned:
Language is limited.
Perversion is a key part of being a wussy beta-male and understanding this will help you avoid being one.
Go to the gym.
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2019.07.01 16:59 FereallyRed What every skinny guy should know

Pook
https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/what-every-skinny-guy-should-know.60002/
http://archive.is/SS1Zs
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2018.08.14 15:30 acertenay What other forums do you guys follor for pickup/seduction advice?

I follow sosuave and rooshv. I am looking for similar forums for pickup/seduction discussions. What forums do you guys follow besides the ones on Reddit?
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2018.08.14 15:30 acertenay What other forums do you guys follow for pickup/seduction discussions?

I follow sosuave and rooshv. I am looking for similar forums for pickup/seduction discussions. What forums do you guys follow besides the ones on Reddit?
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2018.07.01 10:46 VanGosen Need an opinion about my situation

Hi guys, I'm new here and want to get to 10-12%BF. Here's the situation - I'm in the Air force with a job around the clock. My salary and the rules of my base won't let me cook or choose my own food. But they do serve me 3 meals a day. (I don't always eat breakfast because its take a precious sleep time)
After going through the wiki of Fitness and this sub I know that losing it its all about Calories in Calories out. The problem Is I can't measure the amount of food I eat.
I tried counting calories by guessing, but after 3 months I understood I was overestimating and underestimating everything.
So I decided to go by rules of a thumb from site like https://ss.fitness. And this post http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/reducing-body-fat-aka-losing-weight.160509/ And also going to buy protein powder for the days when I get served only carbs. In your experience, is there holes in my plan? Like more meals throughout the day? Thanks in advance!
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2017.11.26 01:40 Rollo-Tomassi The Creep - Part 3

Last one of this series here:
https://therationalmale.com/2017/11/25/the-creep-part-3/
Excerpt:
Dangerous Times
All that said, I can easily imagine Beta men, confused about sexual zoning, engaging in exactly the behaviors described here. It is a very dangerous time to be a Blue Pill Beta today. In fact, I’d argue it’s never been more potentially hazardous for guy ignorant of Game and the nature of intersexual dynamics. I find it very ironic that the men who actually understand the potential for some real life-damaging accusations in the workplace or any other off-limits social context, who take the open door, have-a-witness, policy for working with women are being shamed for it by women. This is the environment they created, but they created it in response to a want for absolute control of their Hypergamous choices.
A “creep” can pretty much be anyone a woman (or women) want that guy to be – even guys who were previously attractive with whom they had consensual sex with. That Alpha they didn’t mind oversharing their sex life information with can be the “creep” if he decides to break things off with her. Again, this comes back to unfettered control of women’s Hypergamous choices as well as absolving them of any regrets they may have had that resulted from them.
I’ve got to repeat this, it’s never been a more dangerous time for men unaware of Red Pill intersexual dynamics and even basic Game principles. Blue Pill Beta men have been conditioned and acculturated to default to a Beta Game that is the perfect storm for so volatile a time. These guys literally have no idea that what their interacting with women is doing is setting them up for. Simple compliments and treating women with a default respect is becoming a liability for men with poor social awareness, but this is exactly the type of men our social order has developed for the past 4 generations. These Beta ‘creeps’ who should just know better than to try to approach the ‘average’ woman are the result of decades of raising and acculturating boys to hate their masculine nature and confuse their good intentions with some form of Game women might appreciate.
Pook once had a great quote back on the SoSuave Forum. He said,
How do I judge a woman’s character? I see how she treats people who can do nothing for her. This test has never failed me.
At this point in time I think we are seeing how women treat the men who can do nothing for them.
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2017.07.26 20:25 Rollo-Tomassi The Rational Male – Positive Masculinity

I’m happy to announce today that The Rational Male – Positive Masculinity is now available on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Rational-Male-Positive-Masculinity/dp/1548921815
The Kindle version will be up within a day or two as it takes a bit longer for Kindle Direct Publishing to go through the review process.
Positive Masculinity is the newest supplemental reading in the Rational Male series designed to give men, not a prescription, but actionable information to build better lives for themselves based on realistic and objective intersexual dynamics between men and women.
The book outlines four key themes: Red Pill Parenting, The Feminine Nature, Social Imperatives and Positive Masculinity.
Free of the pop-psychology pablum about parenting today, Red Pill Parenting is primarily aimed at the fathers (and fathers-to-be) who wanted more in depth information about raising their sons and daughters in a Red Pill aware context. While not an instruction manual, it will give men some insight into how to develop a parenting style based on Red Pill principles as well as what they can expect their kids to encounter from a feminine-primary social order determined to ‘educate’ them.
The Feminine Nature is a collection of essays, revised and curated, that specifically address the most predictable aspects of the female psyche. It outlines and explores both the evolutionary and socialized reasons for women’s most common behaviors and their motives, and how men can build this awareness into a more efficient way of interacting with them.
Social Imperatives details how the female psyche extrapolates into western (and westernizing) cultural narratives, social dictates and legal and political legislation. This is the Feminine Imperative writ large and this section explores how feminism, women’s sexual strategy and primary life goals have molded our society into what we take for granted today. Also detailed is the ‘women’s empowerment’ narrative, and the rise of a blank-slate egalitarian equalism masking as a form of female supremacism that has fundamentally altered western cultures.
The last section, Positive Masculinity, is comprised of essays, reformed and expanded upon, that will give men a better idea of how to define masculinity for themselves from a conventional and rational perspective. In an era when popular culture seeks to dismiss, ridicule, shame and obscure masculinity, this section and this book is intended to raise men’s awareness of how fluid redefinitions of masculinity have been deliberately used to disempower and feminize men by a feminine-primary social order.
This book was a long time in the making and a lot of that was due to my wanting to create an organized flow of topics as well as to make sure the grammar and syntax was as perfect as I could make it. Like my two previous books, I’ve returned to my most popular essays and arranged them to speak to different themes in the book.
When I began writing, compiling and rewriting this book I had an initial working title – The Rational Male, The Red Pill – however, as I progressed I shifted this to Positive Masculinity. There came a point in my compiling and editing where I’d taken a different path in the purpose of the book. Where I had wanted to explain and/or defend the initial, intersexual, definition of what the term ‘Red Pill‘ has increasingly been distorted away from, I found myself leaning more into expressing ways in which this Red Pill awareness could benefit men’s lives in many ways, both in and apart from intersexual dynamics.
I’d hit on this in my Red Pill Parenting series from a couple years ago and I knew I wanted to revisit and make that series a prominent part of this book. As it sits now, it accounts for a full quarter of the book’s content, but as I moved into my writing more I decided that the best way to really define ‘The Red Pill” as I know it was to go into the various ways men might benefit from redefining masculinity for themselves in a conventional, Red Pill aware sense.
When I finished the parenting section I realized that I was really laying out general, if not prescriptive, ideas for ways men might better raise their sons and daughters in a feminine-primary social order that’s determined to raise and condition them. My purpose with both the series and section was to equip fathers with Red Pill aware considerations in making their sons and daughters Red Pill aware themselves in order to challenge a world that increasingly wants to convince us that fathers’ influence is superfluous or dangerous.
It was from this point that I’d made a connection; what I was doing was laying out a much-needed reckoning of sorts with regard to what conventional, positive masculinity might mean to future generations of Red Pill aware men. Since my time on the SoSuave forums and the inception of my blog I’ve used the term Positive Masculinity. I’ve even had a category for it on my side bar since I began too. From the time I began writing I’ve always felt a need to vindicate positive, conventional masculinity (as well as evolved conventional gender roles for men and women) and separate it from the deliberately distorted “toxic” masculinity that the Village of the Feminine Imperative would have us believe is endemic today.
More here:
https://therationalmale.com/2017/07/26/the-rational-male-positive-masculinity/
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2017.07.26 20:24 Rollo-Tomassi The Rational Male – Positive Masculinity

I’m happy to announce today that The Rational Male – Positive Masculinity is now available on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Rational-Male-Positive-Masculinity/dp/1548921815
The Kindle version will be up within a day or two as it takes a bit longer for Kindle Direct Publishing to go through the review process.
Positive Masculinity is the newest supplemental reading in the Rational Male series designed to give men, not a prescription, but actionable information to build better lives for themselves based on realistic and objective intersexual dynamics between men and women.
The book outlines four key themes: Red Pill Parenting, The Feminine Nature, Social Imperatives and Positive Masculinity.
Free of the pop-psychology pablum about parenting today, Red Pill Parenting is primarily aimed at the fathers (and fathers-to-be) who wanted more in depth information about raising their sons and daughters in a Red Pill aware context. While not an instruction manual, it will give men some insight into how to develop a parenting style based on Red Pill principles as well as what they can expect their kids to encounter from a feminine-primary social order determined to ‘educate’ them.
The Feminine Nature is a collection of essays, revised and curated, that specifically address the most predictable aspects of the female psyche. It outlines and explores both the evolutionary and socialized reasons for women’s most common behaviors and their motives, and how men can build this awareness into a more efficient way of interacting with them.
Social Imperatives details how the female psyche extrapolates into western (and westernizing) cultural narratives, social dictates and legal and political legislation. This is the Feminine Imperative writ large and this section explores how feminism, women’s sexual strategy and primary life goals have molded our society into what we take for granted today. Also detailed is the ‘women’s empowerment’ narrative, and the rise of a blank-slate egalitarian equalism masking as a form of female supremacism that has fundamentally altered western cultures.
The last section, Positive Masculinity, is comprised of essays, reformed and expanded upon, that will give men a better idea of how to define masculinity for themselves from a conventional and rational perspective. In an era when popular culture seeks to dismiss, ridicule, shame and obscure masculinity, this section and this book is intended to raise men’s awareness of how fluid redefinitions of masculinity have been deliberately used to disempower and feminize men by a feminine-primary social order.
This book was a long time in the making and a lot of that was due to my wanting to create an organized flow of topics as well as to make sure the grammar and syntax was as perfect as I could make it. Like my two previous books, I’ve returned to my most popular essays and arranged them to speak to different themes in the book.
When I began writing, compiling and rewriting this book I had an initial working title – The Rational Male, The Red Pill – however, as I progressed I shifted this to Positive Masculinity. There came a point in my compiling and editing where I’d taken a different path in the purpose of the book. Where I had wanted to explain and/or defend the initial, intersexual, definition of what the term ‘Red Pill‘ has increasingly been distorted away from, I found myself leaning more into expressing ways in which this Red Pill awareness could benefit men’s lives in many ways, both in and apart from intersexual dynamics.
I’d hit on this in my Red Pill Parenting series from a couple years ago and I knew I wanted to revisit and make that series a prominent part of this book. As it sits now, it accounts for a full quarter of the book’s content, but as I moved into my writing more I decided that the best way to really define ‘The Red Pill” as I know it was to go into the various ways men might benefit from redefining masculinity for themselves in a conventional, Red Pill aware sense.
When I finished the parenting section I realized that I was really laying out general, if not prescriptive, ideas for ways men might better raise their sons and daughters in a feminine-primary social order that’s determined to raise and condition them. My purpose with both the series and section was to equip fathers with Red Pill aware considerations in making their sons and daughters Red Pill aware themselves in order to challenge a world that increasingly wants to convince us that fathers’ influence is superfluous or dangerous.
It was from this point that I’d made a connection; what I was doing was laying out a much-needed reckoning of sorts with regard to what conventional, positive masculinity might mean to future generations of Red Pill aware men. Since my time on the SoSuave forums and the inception of my blog I’ve used the term Positive Masculinity. I’ve even had a category for it on my side bar since I began too. From the time I began writing I’ve always felt a need to vindicate positive, conventional masculinity (as well as evolved conventional gender roles for men and women) and separate it from the deliberately distorted “toxic” masculinity that the Village of the Feminine Imperative would have us believe is endemic today.
More here:
https://therationalmale.com/2017/07/26/the-rational-male-positive-masculinity/
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2016.09.12 03:13 Xombie0991 A realization I made about inceldom

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/index.php?threads/i-just-realized-something-about-being-incel.236325/
I typed it up, but decided to just post a link since it has the forbidden word "impr***" in it. Anyways, despite that I may be a virgin a long time, I will be the best damn virgin and screwup with women I can.
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2015.10.03 09:32 Xemnas81 Psychology Today finally acknowledges narcissistic women. Thoughts from both pills?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-bejeezus-out-me/201509/your-field-guide-the-femme-fatale
Q.s for tl;dr
According to research psychologists from the University of Liverpool, women are often sexually coercive. But rather than rape, they use emotionally manipulative tactics like threatening blackmail or vowing to harm themselves. Or they resort to seduction via drugs or alcohol, a là the Cosby allegations.
According to the Liverpool team's paper, “The Ultimate Femme Fatale (link is external),” the women to watch out for are, not surprisingly, narcissistic. (Those are the men to watch out for, too.) The paper cites study after study showing that, in both men and women, narcissists’ inflated self-importance, deep need for admiration, and lack of empathy are statistically associated with persistent sexual persuasion, coercion, and aggression.
If unwelcome sex is practiced by narcissists of both sexes, why did this study call attention only to women? According to the authors, virtually all previous scholarly investigations of the relationship between narcissism and sexually predatory behavior had been conducted only with men. Theirs, they believe, is the first to include women. Their study sample was 329 adults, most of them undergraduate students at a university in northwest England. Narcissism was measured using a standard personality inventory that also rendered scores for a few personality measures not strictly part of the narcissism portfolio, such as feelings of entitlement and self-perceptions as a leader or authority figure. Sexually coercive tactics were measured by the Post-Refusal Sexual Persistence Scale, a 19-question survey that ranks coercive tactics by increasing severity.
Some highlights:
In general, the higher either a man or a woman scored on measures of narcissism, the more likely he or she was to report having used sexually coercive tactics.
Men scored significantly higher than women on measures of narcissism and sexual coercion. But, like men, narcissistic women were more likely than other women to be sexual bullies.
When men perpetrated coercive sex, they often resorted to physical force. Women, however, were more covert and cunning, using lies and threats.
Many men with a high sense of entitlement did follow the pattern of covert coercion. On the other hand, coercive men who saw themselves as leaders or authority figures were likely to use any kind of sexual persuasion on the Post-Refusal Sexual Persistence Scale—except if they also scored high on classic measures of narcissism. Men who scored high on that scale tended to favor emotional manipulation and taking advantage of an intoxicated target.
Narcissistic men and women both reported that sexual refusals excited them, fueling desire and leading them to escalate tame situations into coercive ones.
One may pore over results like this and gab about where Bill Cosby, Bill Clinton, or any number of accused-but-not-convicted newsmakers may or may not fit in. But the news here is not that celebrities and politicians can be narcissists, or even that sexual predators can be. Long before this study, research had turned up solid evidence of all that.
The news is that narcissistic women can be sexually dangerous.
Their tactics differ from those of men. They may inflict guilt and fear more than bruises or broken bones. But it appears that sexual predation knows no gender boundaries when the potential predator has inflated self-importance, a deep need for admiration, and a lack of empathy. And sexual aggression by narcissists of either gender can be difficult to escape—really difficult.
Main article behind the pay wall, synopsis:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886915005061
Highlights
Narcissistic females engage in serious and aggressive sexually coercive behaviour.
Sexual coercion in males relates to adaptive narcissism.
  • Sexual coercion in females relates to maladaptive narcissism.
Abstract
Narcissism has been associated with persistent sexual persuasion, coercion, aggression, and rape conducive beliefs. However, the majority of research has concentrated on male samples. The present study (N = 329) investigated narcissism and sexually coercive tactics, varying in severity, in both males and females. Males scored significantly higher on total narcissism and sexual coercion. However, when narcissism was investigated in relation to sexually coercive tactics, it was found that narcissistic females were just as likely to engage in serious and aggressive sexually coercive behaviour. In addition, sexual coercion in males related to more socially desirable aspects of narcissism (adaptive narcissism), whereas in females, sexual coercion was associated with socially toxic components of the construct (maladaptive narcissism). Our results demonstrate that gender differences in narcissism can differ significantly when investigating the impact narcissism has on a specific type of behaviour such as sexual coercion. These new findings contribute to the very little we already know about narcissism in females, suggesting that both sexes should be included in future research on narcissism.
My first thought was "no shit Sherlock". This is one reason why DV laws are so biased against men; women's smaller stature and tendency towards emotional abuse/manipulation or use of weaponry means that a) it's assumed that they were the perpetrators less, b) many will cry crocodile tears and get the man in trouble (cf. Duluth Model/Violence Against Women Act, evil brainchildren of 3rd wave feminism, link below )
My second was that I can't believe how long it's take for the gynocentric, misandrist Psychology Today blog to acknowledge that women can be shitty human beings too. For the past year of my subscription, there was a misandrist article relating to the narcissistic, psychopathic, manipulative, soul-sucking and generally rapey misogynist nature of many men every 3 days. Even when not specifically about men, the claim was insinuated as misandrist by using a male model=aggressor, female model=victim in the caption photo.
Here we come to an impasse. BP will say that NAWALT and RP specifically dump stats crazy for pretty, thus ending up in toxic relationships with narcissistic women (since BP believes RP to be narcissists themselves). Conversely, RP believes that women are naturally narcissistic (solipsistic) due to the requirements of hypergamy, and therefore it is logical for a woman of higher SMV to display more narcissistic traits. This means peak SMV women tend to be narcissists, but AWALT: all women are basically narcissistic. This is the root of Rollo Tomassi's Iron Rule #6: Women love opportunistically relative to hypergamy and tingles, men are the true romantics who love idealistically and buy into fem-centric lies of the merit of relational equity and 'equalism'. However, we should note that Rollo is some rock star in LA who moderates a PUA forum SoSuave and has nwo gone on to be one of the leading authorities on the Manosphere, and is probably only really hanging out with peak SMV women anyway. The jury is still out, therefore, on whether narcissism is genetic/evolutionary in women, or the result of cultural market forces. Which leads me to my next para
Somebody in the comment blocks also stated that this increase in narcissism is a bi-product of a neo-liberal state. This is also the Misandry Bubble's slant; the emanicpation of female hypergamy and the dissolution of Marriage 1.0 results in a society where either women are bred to have higher propensities towards narcissism (purple/MRA pill) or their natural solipsistic nature is finally unleashed (red pill). Marriage 2.0 is quite literally parasitic to the economy and also the children from broken homes; regrettably I can't source it, but someone on MensRights linked to about 80 studies showing the links between children raised in single mother households and social/emotional difficulties. Do you believe that the increase in narcissism is a bi-product of neo-liberalism?
On a final note, very intriguing that this article claims that narcissistic traits in men is adaptive, as opposed to the maladaptive nature of narcissistic traits in women. Wonder why this could be? Possibly due to the Women are Wonderful effect, and also that old chestnut that Game-aware men are 'narcissistic assholes'-but so attractive, right?
Misandry Bubble source (and honestly any BPer who disagrees with RP or even MRAs should actually read this article before critiquing. MB=RP-bio-truths)
http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html
Abstract:
The Western World has quietly become a civilization that has funny tainted the interaction between men and women, where the state forcibly transfers resources from men to women creating various perverse incentives for otherwise good women to inflict great harm onto their own families, and where male nature is vilified but female nature is celebrated. This is unfair to both genders, and is a recipe for a rapid civilizational decline and displacement, the costs of which will ultimately be borne by a subsequent generation of innocent women, rather than men, as soon as 2020.
See Marriage 2.0 for full details on how this occurs.
Rational Male Iron Rule #6 source
http://therationalmale.com/2011/12/27/women-in-love/
Relation of all of this to MRM:
https://www.reddit.com/MensRights/comments/3hu6p1/can_someone_explain_the_problem_with_the_duluth/
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2015.06.26 22:10 tedviking Dumped her(30) before she dumped me(37)... Insults. No contact. 2 days later she is supplicating me. Is she real ?

Hi, so i was with her for one year. Our relation was very intense, pasionate for the first 6 months. Seing us every days and nights. In our bubble ignoring the world. She worshiped me, and would do everything for me. As the average guy, day by day i got trapped into getting fat, loosing my social life and being too available to her. The passion faded a bit away. The sexual connection was still great, but the frequency like just one time a day, on the morning...., except on week ends.
One month ago i messed up pretty bad. We had a fight just before our first anniversary. Then i got drunk and obsessed that she took a cab and came to my place. I texted her all night long and ended up insulting her and sending her profile pics of girls from dating websites. I told her i was seeing a prostitute. This was just for provoking her.
Till then, despite having talked about all that, i noticed that she had lost affection for me. She asked me for her "space", witch i gave her. Like seeing us 2 nights a week instead of 5 or 6. She started not to care so much about me anymore. She wasn't doing any more all those little things, didn't like anymore things we used to... I would tell her i love her right in the eyes, she would reciprocate with a slighly guilty side glance... She would no longer tell me things like "i miss you". I was the one asking to see her. She would call me like on the way from work to home, only to complain about her boss, like not to get so bored in the bus. Then text me goodnight with a certain alacrity...
She had clearly also lost respect for me. And started to treat me kind of like a dog, instead of the first priority i used to be.
Oh, and she would be so perfectly depilated !
Every signs of the woman trying to secure a backplan before she dumps you !!!
So i started to get very suspicious she was cheating on me.
I spent the 2 worst weeks of my lfe, desperate, unable to eat and to sleep.
So, i ended up executing the advice to dump her before she dumps you. http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=185129
I wanted to tell her in front, but when i asked her for one hour of her time, which she would have given me anytime 1 month before, she repeatedly told me to piss off, in very disrespectful manners.
So, as i couldn't live this shit any longer i dumped her by text. Telling her this was for a hundred reasons the first being their was no more love from both sides. (i lied because i still love her) Then she got hysterical !! Insulting me all night long. She wanted her stuffs NOW ! She put a status about how she was happy. She told me there was a man in her bed....
I know she was with her friends, showing and telling them everything. I managed to keep my texts very gentle but firm, ignoring most of the stuff and trying to calm her every one's a while. Then i went no contact.
The day after, she puts a status "disappointed" and an avatar explaining it's not about rage, revenge but walking in life hoping her partner would reciprocate her efforts. I guess she she did that not to loose face with her friends, as the day before she got so hysterical that even them could not agree.
And now today, she sends me messages and videos crying, begging, supplicating me to take her on the phone for one minute. She is all "i love you", "i don't feel my heart without you" etc. Telling me she didn't lie to me, that the other day she couldn't see me because she had "a tupper sex reunion to make me a surprise"....BS ! Her new avatar is a broken glass. Her new status reads "i m dying if i don't see you". BUT in our own secret language !! So that nobody in her circle understands...
I suspect this is deceptive, don't really believe she regained her affection for me like this, so fast, and don't know what i should do. I'm afraid she just wants to take the frame of the relation back. Yet i still love her and really don't want to suffer more.
At the same time, i feel i owe her a face to face.
I'm blinded and weak because i love her. So what do you think ? What would you do ? Or what did you do ? Thank you !!
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2015.01.05 19:25 RBuddDwyer LTR GAME: More Emotion. Less Logic [X-Post from TRP]

This is a great article that touches on a subject I have had a keen interest in for awhile now.
https://www.reddit.com/TheRedPill/comments/2klhzt/ltr_game_more_emotion_less_logic/
Essentially, make sure you create lots of emotion in the relationship if you want to have success. I have read a lot on the topic of how to use emotions to create attraction, and there is a lot of evidence to suggest that it works. RSDJulien's entire game is based almost exclusively on creating strong emotional shifts in women, and the idea has been around in the PUA community for a very long time. There are countless other places where emotional tools have been discussed as well.
What I would like to have a discussion on is how to do this on a practical level in a marriage. What are some of the ways you guys have created emotions in your wives?
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2014.11.16 00:19 bigdaddylou Why do you think people can't decide whether looks matter to women?

Case #1: People say looks don't matter non-stop, and downvote comments that make fun of "looks don't matter"
Case #2: Consistent agreement that looks do matter in forums like...
http://www.reddit.com/AskReddit/comments/yiw14/people_that_have_gone_from_ugly_to_very/
and
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=187076
and
Nevermind, can't find the 3rd one. But I managed to find female agreement in that forum, though.
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2014.07.03 08:21 Flowerboy2 What am I doing wrong?

Throughout High School I was able to keep a close group of friends, I was able to mingle between groups, I was/still am kind of an everybody man. I went to parties but never hooked up with anyone. I'd fallen for girls, but could never express my thoughts more than saying "I like you".
I would run track and skateboard, but these hobbies of mine didn't help. I still looked smaller than other guys (5'7 and 120lbs throughout high school) and nothing manly besides a mustache.
Much to my dismay, I graduated as 17 year old Virgin who never dated anyone.
I started college hopping to loose my virginity. Although looking back, my first year gave me many opportunities, I didn't even hook up with anyone, I don't know how to initiate. After winter break, I started reading forums like SoSuave on how to approach and talk to women. 2nd semester I grew my facial hair out and started going to the bar, along with the rest of college, with a fake id. Here, I had even more chances, but I encountered approach anxiety, even though I am perfectly able to hold a conversation, even better when both me and the girl are drunk.
Now summer has come, i'm still a Virgin, and rarely hooking up, which some guys may say is nothing, but I when i have hooked up, I genuinely enjoy bring pleasure.
When I meet a girl I'm interested I don't know how to let her know im interested. I can flirt well, but it must not be enough. How do I turn conversation sexual? I've started to grow my facial hair out, I'm 18 but some say I look 21 now. I've been doing push ups to build more of a chest, and I've always been able to dress myself nicely. How do talk to women to let them know my intentions clearly?
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